How to Invest your Company Profits

PiggybankDo you have money sitting in your business account? Would you like to invest your company’s leftover cash?

I have many friends who own small limited companies or are self-employed. The pattern usually goes like this: The business is profitable and starts generating some cash.  The business owner takes income plus dividends up to a point that is tax-efficient, usually around £40,000.

People cannot use the business cash remains without paying a huge tax bill and cannot expense it either because business expenses is a sensitive area only used for business purposes. As a result, the company profits stack up and a large amount of cash is sitting “locked in” in the business account.

I was in the same boat and I knew I was missing out. If you have a look at the UK inflation data (2.9% at the point of writing), cash is losing their purchasing power. In plain English, your cash can buy less stuff than today in a few years time.

My £10,000 will be worth £7,500 in 10 years time. So doing nothing was really not an option! Similarly, £100,000 will be worth £75,000. A £25,000 loss!

Having asked around in the community, it looks like people either do nothing or just take a big tax hit by withdrawing their profits. After researching all the options, it looks like there is a better way. In other words, investing through a limited company and not taking the money out until really needed. But, what’s better?

Take the money out and then invest or invest through a limited company?

In both cases, taking the first £40k or so almost tax-free makes sense. But what about the cash surplus?

Obviously, if you need the money for personal reasons (e.g. buy a house) there is no question. You just need to take everything out and take the tax hit upfront.

But for those (including myself) who want to put the money to work for them let’s dive into the math and decide.

To take the money out we would have to pay 32.5% dividend tax upfront. That’s a lot, but our money would then grow tax-free thanks to ISAs and other allowances. This is not always the case but let’s assume you and your partner have a £40k tax-free allowance.

Personal vs Company Investments
£60k cash surplus every year, assuming 7% annual return and 20% corporation tax when investing via the company. 10 years later, we have £880,000 in company assets vs £640,000 in personal investments. The company investments end up £240,000 higher!

Copy my online Excel document (File -> Make a copy) and play with the numbers. As you can see, not paying the tax upfront gives us a nice £240,000 advantage compared to tax-free personal investments, even after paying the corporation tax on the profits.

At the end of the 10 year period, we can either take everything out of the company which leaves us with the same amount had we taken it out upfront, or we can simply withdraw as much as we need pay much lower taxes.

You wouldn’t want to pay £273,000 (32.5%) dividend tax to take £840,000 out, so why do it incrementally over 10 years? The numbers stack up.

It looks like keeping the money in the company and accessing it only when needed is a much more profitable strategy. Even more importantly, if you stop working at some point and achieve financial independence. Isn’t this everyone’s goal…?

How to Invest your Company Money

How to invest your company profitsThere are two ways that you can invest via a limited company. Let’s say you are an IT consultant operating via your limited company: “Tech Guru Ltd”.

  • Option 1: A holding company (ie “Tech Guru Holdings”) owns your “Tech Guru Ltd” trading company and receives the cash surplus as dividends.
  • Option 2: You open a totally separate company and receive the money as a loan from “Tech Guru Ltd”.

After talking to my accountant it looks like having 2 companies as separate entities is a clearer structure and easier to set up.

I, therefore, chose option 2 and decided I’m going for zero-interest loans in a timescale to be agreed. I documented the loan agreement in a signed letter from the trading to the investment company and I make regular bank transfers while keeping track of the money flow. There is no obligation to pay back the loan and I’m the sole director of both companies.

You may want to make it more formal by having the borrower pay a small interest to the lender.

As a reader pointed out if you follow the company loan agreement (option 2) the trading company can still claim Entrepreneur’s Relief as long as the loan is repaid in full. Thanks, James!

Entrepreneur’s relief means that in case you want to close down or sell your business you’ll only pay 10% capital gains tax on the gains.

Why not invest the money from your trading company directly?

Three reasons.

  1. The trading company should not get caught up in ‘non-core’ activities. There is a risk of your trading company being classified as a close investment holding company which has tax implications. Your trading company should trade only in its relevant sector. In our case, “Tech Guru Ltd” can build websites, provide hosting, etc but should not start buying buy-to-let flats.
  2. Legal separation: If there’s trouble in one company, your other company will not be affected in legal terms.
  3. Easier for tax purposes: The investment company will not have any payroll, VAT obligations etc.

In both cases, you need to open a new company. That’s actually quite easy and the Gov.uk website does a great job at explaining the process.

I opened mine online which costs £13 and only spent 30 minutes because I wanted to be super careful. You need to appoint a director (yourself), have a registered UK address and allocate one £1 share to yourself.

Note that you will need to provide a list of SIC codes, which technically defines the nature of your business. There are no fixed rules for what your SIC codes should be. Just focus on finding the SIC code(s) that best describes your investment activities.

Because I invest in shares and bonds, and I may invest in property too, I selected the following SIC codes:

64991 – Security dealing on own account
68100 – Buying and selling of own real estate

Disclaimer: I’m not an accountant by any means. I have gathered the above info by asking different accountants and other people who have done it before. I thought it would be useful to share what I’ve learned but you should ask for tax advice before you proceed! Also if you spot any mistakes in my thinking, please shout!

Where to invest my company profits?

The answer is simple: Invest where you invest your personal cash.

That’s a complicated topic because different people have different tolerance to risk, different goals and taste.

Have a look at my investing category for inspiration. A great book on the subject is called Smarter Investing by Tim Hale. It’s probably the only book you need to read to start investing wisely.

My personal preference is broad low-cost index funds. By owning the whole market you avoid sudden shocks of one or two stocks dropping in value and wiping out our profits. Not to mention I don’t have the skills to research a company better than the quant experts employed at the Wall St.

So by owning everything, I capture the whole market return and spread my risks across different companies and countries.

Stock market Index funds

My favourite investment provider is Vanguard who set the foundation of the passive investment industry. They have products that allow you to own a small percentage of every company in the world, thus owning the whole market.

Vanguard Lifestrategy 60% equities, 40% bonds is a global balanced portfolio with a very low fee of 0.22%. You can invest with Vanguard directly but the minimum investment is £100,000.

My investing experience with Vanguard has been very smooth so far and the customer service is excellent. You need to fill in a form in order to open an account and you can start investing right away.

If you feel more adventurous and want higher returns, just tilt the equity part of the portfolio and go for 80% stocks. If you want a smoother journey instead, go for 60% or even 80% bonds.

The only drawback is that Vanguard don’t offer an online platform to buy, sell and view your investments online. Although in the beginning, it was frustrating, I now find it positive as it keeps me from checking my accounts every day and make bad investment decisions based on what the news said today.

Alternatively, you can go via a broker and pay a platform fee for using them.

I know that Trading Direct (TD) offer a corporate account but they require 3 years of company accounts to sign you up as a business. That may not be the best option if your investment company is new.

Peer to Peer Lending

Peer to peer lending offers lucrative returns for lending cash to other people and businesses. I’ve written a Zopa review for investors you may want to read.

TL;DR: Returns of around 6.5%, hands-off automatic investment, loan length of up to 5 years. I hold a business account with Zopa and I’m super happy with the quality of service and the £300 I receive every month.

The sign-up process is pretty straightforward as they need your business details, the director details and your money 🙂

Have you forgotten the pension?

If you don’t pay yourself a pension then it’s definitely worth considering this option first. Your company should pay a pension into a SIPP pot which grows tax-free.

The best part is that the money going into the pension are not taxed by corporation tax. It’s a win-win situation for both the company and yourself and a great way to secure your financial future.

Property

Last but not least, I could not finish this article without talking about bricks and mortar here in the UK.

A company can purchase flats and houses for investment purposes and rent them out. I have not tried property investment yet but check out the Rob and Rob property podcast if you feel like it.

Interest rates are usually higher for limited companies compared to personal mortgages and lending criteria are tighter. But if you can find good opportunities then it’s worth looking into property investment.

Final thoughts

I have started investing via company and will update this guide with new findings if any. On one hand, company investment gains are taxed by corporation tax, but at the same time, you invest a larger pot if you don’t take dividends.

Investing through a limited company requires a bit more upfront work to set it up. These can be opening a new company and a business account, finding an accountant, keeping track of the loans etc. Nevertheless, this can be a much more profitable strategy to build your wealth and use it while travelling the world, raising kids, you name it!

What keeps you from investing through a limited company? Or are you not investing at all? Let me know in the comments.

19 COMMENTS

  1. Great article. The reason I haven’t invested through an ‘investment’ Ltd company is the belief that I could only take out a ‘Director’s loan’ from my existing Ltd company which would need to be repaid inside a 9 month period. If this is the case then surely the ‘investment company’ would not be able to invest in any long-term strategy such as stock market index funds. Or am I wrong?

    • Hi Nick, great question. The Director’s Loan can only be used if you take a loan personally, as a director. But in this case, you’re not a person but a company and can take a loan from another company for longer than 9 months.

      Therefore, the same investment strategies that you would normally follow for personal investments can be applied to company investments too.

  2. In theory can ‘company A’ loan ‘company B (investment Ltd) a loan over an unlimited period? Are HMRC fine with this?

    • Technically it’s not an unlimited period, but a loan in a timescale to be agreed. This is what I have been told. However, I’m not an accountant myself and it’s better to seek professional advice if you’re not sure.

      Feel free to report your findings back to the blog so everyone can benefit!

  3. Hey Foxy,

    I’ve recently set up a limited company for one of my side-hustles, I’ll also be doing the same when I eventually start contracting. One thing I’m unsure/worried about is getting professional advise. From a terrible experience with solicitors, I don’t want to get ripped off when looking for an Accountant/Financial Advisor. Have you got any advice on the price to pay for an Accountant? Do you pay for them to complete your tax returns and handle everything for you, or just provide you with advise? Do you pay a set fee or a percentage fee, is it worth it? If you can recommend a good accountant that would be awesome too!

    Thanks,
    Slike

    • I understand your frustration, Silke, and speaking of solicitors I had a terrible and expensive experience in the recent past!

      Usually, if you operate as a contractor through an Ltd, or own a small business you expect to pay somewhere between £100-125 per month (incl VAT) for an accountant. That typically includes the annual accounts, a basic planning around salary and dividends and accounting software, such as Xero or FreeAgent so you can take a look at your business finances too.

      The accountants may offer a personal tax return as part of the package for the company director. Mine charge a £100 fee so I did it alone via FreeAgent last year. It was actually easy.

      Although I’m happy with my accountancy service for the trading company, I still haven’t found a viable solution for my investment company. Simply put, all I need is the annual accounts for a company that doesn’t have any Payroll, VAT or much trading activity. That definitely shouldn’t cost £1500 per year. That’s wiping out a big chunk of my investment gains!

      How do you manage your side hustle Ltd?
      I’ll send you a message regarding personal accountant recommendations.

      • Awesome, thank you! It is a little pricier than I hoped it would be, I’m assuming all of the costs are tax free though? As my side-hustle is through Amazon it keeps all of my payments nicely documented so I don’t really need to track it, I also don’t pay myself a salary and am yet to take out any dividends (I’ve only recently incorporated). Thanks for all of your help! 🙂

  4. HI, Michael,

    Thank you for the nice article.
    Could you highlight where do you invest through the second limited company?

    Thanks

    • Glad you liked the article, thanks! I invest in low-cost index funds (Vanguard 80% Lifestrategy) as well as peer-to-peer lending (Zopa, Ratesetter). The setting is very similar to my personal investments. Do you invest through your Ltd as well?

  5. Thank you for your reply Sir.
    I am hoping to invest, but major banks refused to take the investment on the company name. They were happy to have it with the personal name.

    I liked your idea of opening another company to invest and feed it from the original company.

    But Not sure which funds to invest. Ideally, FCA regulated!!

    • Always FCA regulated 🙂

      You’ll have to go through a fund provider, such as TD Direct Investing. If you provide all the company documents (incorporation certificate, year accounts etc) I’m sure they will let you invest as a company.

  6. thank you, I will contact them (TD) for more info.
    Zopa is not taking any more customers.
    Any other fund provider are you aware/dealt. Hargreaves Lansdown etc
    thank you so much for your time

    • I researched TD Direct but ended up going with Vanguard directly. You save on the platform fees as a side benefit, but the minimum investment is £100,000.

      Not a problem Ishaikh, happy to help!

  7. Thanks.
    if you invest through the second company, would that be regarded CIC company, I guess if you have taken loan, you would have repay to the parent company.
    How long you can take a loan.
    Lastly: You would be keeping the investment for long term, so I guess the second company would not have any yearly profit as all money is invested.

    Thank you

    • “There is a risk of your trading company being classified as a close investment holding company which has tax implications.”.
      That’s the reason for opening the second company; to engage in pure investment activities. Loan lengths and CIC are also explained in detail in the post!

      Of course, there will be profits to declare if your investments go upwards. Because the money is invested this doesn’t mean there are no profits 🙂

  8. Good article!

    You say it is not a good idea for the trading company to invest the money directly because then the trading company “could be classified as a close investment holding company which has tax implications.” But taking your option 1 as an example, paying dividends up to the holding company and the holding company investing the money, is the holding company not then a “close investment holding company” and would that not have the same tax implications?

    Also do you know what those tax implications are?

    If it is a “close investment holding company” do the standard exemptions for small companies (turnover, size) still apply? This is an important consideration for small businesses where being allowed to file unaudited micro company accounts makes year end accounting much easier.

    • Thanks for the great comment Will. Please note, I’m not an accountant and this is not advice, just personal research and interest on the subject!

      According to HMRC:
      “The main effect of this subsection – Section 34 (2)(c) – is to exclude from being a close investment-holding company the holding company of a trading group or a property investment group, even where the group consists only of the holding company and one trading or property investment subsidiary.”

      Therefore, I believe that the holding company would not be classified as CIC. I don’t really know what the exact tax implications for close investment holding companies are, but I know that they cannot claim entrepreneurs relief. I also think CICs are not entitled to small profits corporation tax but they have to pay the standard CT rate.

      If you, by any chance, find out any accurate accountant advice, please report back and I will update the post accordingly. Looking at Google traffic, it looks like a lot of people are interested in this post.

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